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John Massengale

I know they say New York City is the exception that proves nothing and everything, but I'm looking out my back window here in New York and I don't see any parking.

A problem with your definition for me therefore is that it says New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Washington, Philadelphia, Boston . . . London, Paris and Rome don't have "city-ness."

This is not just a matter of size. Traditional urban form above 20 or 30 units to the acre will almost never have parking in the rear. Greenwich Village, a low-rise place, is 80 to 120 units per acre: 20 to 30 is more like the courtyard apartments of Los Angeles -- and they don't park in the back.

David Sucher

I apologize; I thought it too obvious to have to explain that very high-density neighborhoods (a rarity in the USA) would have (whatever parking they do have) parking "somewhere else" than at the street level. The whole point of my sketch course is to explain that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have city-ness if the parking is is in front and that it has to be "somewhere else."

Francis Morrone

Where I grew up, in Oak Park, Ill., there are examples of both these parking schemes right across the street from each other. On one side of the street is a beautiful old Marshall Field's store from the 1920s, converted into a Borders Bookstore; its parking is in the rear, as the building fronts splendidly on the main street. Across that main street is a 1990s Whole Foods Market--with the parking in front. The Whole Foods (in a building otherwise graced with all manner of "traditionalist" touches) could easily have been designed with parking in the rear, but clearly wished to invoke the spirit of modern suburbia!

winifer skattebol

FYI: CUNY conference tomorrow:

http://www.ccny.cuny.edu/cius/conference.htm

David's question should be submitted to my classmate Kennedy Smith, head of "Main Street" of the National Trust. I'll email her and see if she'll comment on the blog.

David Sucher

Parking in the back is a metaphor for parking "somewhere else."

John Massengale

At the risk of nitpicking, the diagram implies a more concrete relationship than that, I think. I can see it now: I'm at P & Z meeting, and one of the commissioners tells me I have to move the underground parking to behind the building because "City Comforts says so."

Sidebar: German cities are more prescriptive than ours in the form buildings must take. They used to require underground parking directly connected to the building lobby. Then they decided this pulled too many people off the street, and many cities now require that drivers exit to the street before entering their building.

claxton6

Photos of two Borders stores in Ann Arbor, one downtown (with a parking structure in the background) and one at the city edge (with a lot in front).

http://theotherleading.com/temp/a2borders.html

Jarrett


A good definition of "redeemable suburbanness" (parking in back) as opposed to "future economic wasteland" (parking in front). But I agree w/Massengale. A picture of urbanness would have a way different parking ratio!

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