The interviewee finished Yale Law (after having been, ahem, a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford) and then moved, voluntarily, to Newark, New Jersey, where he is now Mayor. It's a pretty impressive conversation with an impressive person, who as a black American educated in the most elite venues could have pretty-much moved anywhere. See it here: The City: 2012 — Corey Booker.
(It's not quite as convenient but you can download this video (and others from The New Yorker Conference) from iTunes Store and get a much better quality video.)
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Not nearly as impressive is Paul Goldberger's interview with Zaha Hadid. It's not Goldberger's fault; he does a decent job with the meager material with which he has to work. Even on her own terms as a purveyor of archi-spectacle, Hadid is a bore who says nothing, even if you agree with her architectural outlook i.e. that what's important about a building is the building itself and that the space around it is totally secondary. I don't agree with such object-oriented anti-sidewalk approach; but surely there is something to say for it. Hadid came close to getting across the idea that her starchitecture, along with that of Koolhaas and of course Gehry, could be defended as modern-day bread-and-circuses for under-privileged masses. But she couldn't even conceptualize that much.
In fact my first question — after about 3 minutes of the conversation — was why would an astute urbanist like Goldberger waste his time and ours with Hadid? She is a complete lightweight who has just about nothing to say. For shame, Paul. Your audience deserves better.
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Of course it's quite likely that, as conferences go, Goldberger had no choice and that the organizers simply paired him with Hadid and said "She's yours." In that case I'd offer Goldberger the constructive criticism to be quite a bit more aggressive in his questioning. His criticism will be remembered long after Hadid's architecture is forgotten. He could have said — and still well-within the bounds of civil discourse —
"OK, Zaha. A lot of people say that you are a 'starchitect.' "
(No one can be offended by being referred to as a star.)
"And that your work is bread-and-circus spectacle which has little to do with creating a more urbane and walkable city....that you are more out of the era of Robert Moses and super-blocks rather than of Jane Jacobs and streets scaled for human conversation. How do you respond to such a criticism?
No doubt she has a glib answer and it would be fine to let her glibness show. But if she rose to the occasion and said something of value, let her run with it:
"So Zaha, can you see a way to reconcile the two? Combining the truly urban and also the truly 'spectacular' and 'dazzling?' "
I do wonder what these starchitects would say if confronted directly and forcefully with the fact that they don't know how to build "city" but only isolated "object." But there is a third way for those special situations where you do indeed want some dazzle.